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Post by Pashacar on Apr 22, 2002 18:53:38 GMT -5
back to MM not deserving the record-its so true that they dont care about haveing all the coasters open. i went a while back, and it said psyclone and flashback were closed in the sign at the gate, but i had heard those 2 were basicly the worst ones in the park, so i didnt really care too much. (O, not to mention that every flat was closed except like 5!) So we walked through the park, in which there was probably 3 closed ridess for every open one-i swear-but all the coasters were open so i didnt mind that much-until i got to superman which was CLOSED!!!!!!!!! Although the overall day was fun, i walked out, after counting that, out of like 42, 17 rides were open, and seing the ticket booths with the $50 per person price painted on in all its glory, thinking, wow that was not worth the price, and thought, "this park should not brag about the most coasters, or haveing the tallest and fastest." (In fact, after the $10 parking fees, admission rates that rival Disneyland's, outrageously priced food, and more than half the park's rides closed, my Dad has been to Magic Mountain and Great Adventure, and has vowed never again to return to a Six Flags park. And, although I would never do that, because I try to make the best of it and have a good time, he is, in a way, right.) I've also been to SFWoA (when it was SFO)and experienced the major closings, and my cousin recently went to Astroworld, where his father complained to a manager, because he felt the 50 dollars they spent per person to get in was not worth it, due to the majority of the rides being closed, and the parks dirty, vandalized state. The perfect park would be with Six Flags's rides, Universal's theming (actually the theming and landscaping at MM is great in the entire right half [if you're looking from the waterfalls in front] of the park) and Cedar Fairs management.
However, it seems that Great Adventure, for one, is improving on this, as none of the coasters, to my knowledge, have been closed for reasons other then safety or mechanical issues i.e. valleys, breakdowns, etc. (unlike viper the entire last season) so far this year, and the same is true for flat rides.
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Post by rew242 on Sept 27, 2002 15:40:48 GMT -5
Disclaimer (I work at CP but my views don't reflect that of the company's, I speak as an amusement park fan). Superman The Escape isn't really a coaster. Yeah, it runs on track etc. So does CP's Demon Drop though, the only real differences are that Superman launches you up instead of dropping you down and it's a lot taller. Doesn't really make it a coaster though. When you think of "coaster," do you think of S:TE? As you guys have already said, MM is notorious for having their rides go down all the time, and they supposedly do ride shifting over there. Difference between CP and them is CP almost always have all of our rides up (at the beginning of the season we were having some tech problems with Wicked Twister and the occasional minor problem with the other rides, but it would be rare and a big deal if a ride was down for the whole day). CP also has much better ride capacity... almost always three trains per the big coasters (except Mantis... it takes a while to load stand-ups). I don't think MM runs 3 on any of their rides, although I could be wrong... call me on it if I am. So basically, if you walk into Cedar Point you can expect to be able to ride all of the thrill rides/coasters and get on them quickly. Go to MM and you seriously have to expect at LEAST one to be down, and it'll probably be one of their better one's like X. Just my point of view, but most of the people I've talked to who've been to both parks say that they'd rather hit CP. MM is still a cool park, but I think it's a far cry for them to imply that their guests will get on more great rides than they would if they were at CP. If anyone wants to know anything about CP don't be afraid to ask
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Post by JJ2K on Sept 27, 2002 16:30:03 GMT -5
Yes, but when you think of coasters do you really think of wicked twister??? Next year, the new coaster record will infact be 16 roller coasters. But, rew242, don't think CP will be the only park with 16, MM is GOING to get a major ride next year, and most definitly that will be a coaster. Although also not proven, but rumored and presumed true is that all four parks that SF promised to give major rides to next season will get a clone of S:UF, since none of those parks has a flyer. There is speculation about MM since it already has a superman themed COASTER, but it is expected that they will just color it differently and name it either a mythical creature (of which SF likes to turn to when they are in doubt of a name) or possibly another character from Batman like Batgirl or Robin.
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Post by rew242 on Sept 29, 2002 15:50:16 GMT -5
Regarding Wicked Twister, JJ2K: I see your point, but then of course Deja Vu wouldn't really look like a coaster either. My bottom line was that CP simply has more coasters in operation on a day to day basis than MM... and if you want to consider that S:TE is a coaster (which is fine), you kind of have to consider Demon Drop a coaster as well. Hell, you could consider Power Tower a coaster if you want to stretch the definition that far. You get the idea. I know MM will have 16 next year most likely, but really it doesn't matter if they're not all in operation on a given day. (besides, I'm pretty sure CP's getting THE coaster of next year ) At any rate, I'm excited to see what everyone comes up with next year... I love this industry.
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Post by PatMan007 on Sept 29, 2002 20:23:38 GMT -5
well if you consider demon drop and ste coasters than wouldnt sfmm freefall count as one too.
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Post by rew242 on Sept 29, 2002 23:38:12 GMT -5
Nah, I don't actually consider Demon Drop a coaster. There's a lot of grey area ones... IE Wicked Twister/S:TE/Boomerang.
The industry should develop some kind of tight definition as to what exactly makes a coaster a coaster so we could say what is and what isn't one.
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Post by twistedrails2k on Sept 30, 2002 16:31:38 GMT -5
IMO a coaster must have a train/car with movable wheels making it able to make turns....this would exclude demon drop / S:TE / and Freefall because both boomerang and wicked twister are able to make turns of some sort.....because with the contraversey before you wouldn't even count any shuttle coaster and that is just wrong....i think my theory works so thats just imo...but i still consider S:TE a great thrill ride
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Post by linkinpark on Sept 30, 2002 16:48:52 GMT -5
yeah those coasters are pretty much rides
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Post by JJ2K on Sept 30, 2002 16:49:37 GMT -5
Ok, well even if you take S:TE away as a coubnted coaster. I think we're all in agreement that dueling woodies should count as two different coasters, but Guiness doesn't see it that way, so they counted S:TE and Colossus as one coaster each. Now if they had counted colossus as two and took away S:TE then the coaster count at MM would still remain the same. Though Rew I have to totally agree with you that MM has some serious work to do in ride closures and openings.
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Post by rew242 on Sept 30, 2002 19:46:40 GMT -5
Twisted Rails:
That's a good start. This is actually a heated topic I discuss a lot with a few employees. One of them considers Power Tower a coaster, which I disagree with. We basically all agree that a coaster is powered or at least assisted by gravity. This way rides like Hulk and LIM's are still counted. It gets tricky after that. A lot of people would say "it's gonna run on track," which makes sense, but then Disaster Transport doesn't count. I dunno about that one though... you guys consider that a coaster?
The turning idea is good, but even if S:TE made a little turn I still wouldn't agree it was a coaster. Hmmm.
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Post by twistedrails2k on Sept 30, 2002 20:35:08 GMT -5
I would say that the trains must have wheels with moving chases(don't kno how to spell it) and are able to make turns. And Disaster Transport should count....it does have to run on some form of track....this would include disaster transport's chute
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Post by JJ2K on Oct 1, 2002 17:06:40 GMT -5
What is disaster transport, its starting to sound more like a spiral slide than a coaster . IMO a coaster MUST have wheels, some form of track, assisted by gravity in some way, it must have some mechanicalness to it like lift hills or LIMS like it can't just be assisted by gravity something else has to help it to, it can not be in water for the whole ride if it has a water track section to it then it also has to have a nonwater track section(not including the lift hill or station), the track has to go in different directions it can't have a straight track, and I think thats it.
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Post by twistedrails2k on Oct 1, 2002 18:17:51 GMT -5
well disaster transport is a bobsled COASTER it has wheels, a hill lift, and track(steel chute) and turns like you wouldn't believe
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Post by JJ2K on Oct 1, 2002 19:25:22 GMT -5
UGH I just realized that by what I classified as coasters would include freefall, but I can't think of something that would elimnate feefall as a coaster. OH wait. Here we go, the wheels have to be used in the same frame through out the ride. Thus, since the wheels are used in different frames on freefall(ones on bottom move forward afert lift, then at bottom of fall the wheels are used in a different frame so that it can be wheeled on its back) freefall is not a coaster. ---- this would also differentiate S:TE from any freefall type ride, since S:TE's wheels are used in the same frame and it does go in a different direction.-----
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Post by CoAsTErBoI on Oct 15, 2002 11:17:45 GMT -5
Well i see that u guys are debating hehehe on whats a coaster or not ;D i tought the topic was CP ~Vs~ SFMM well just to get back on track i found a cool article that SFMM is getting a B&M Floorless coaster ant they think it might be called yes u guessed it "Medusa" and it is a clone so If they get a Medusa and what in regards to what JJ... was talking about that " The 4 parks were going to get flyers".. then think of this! does this mean that SFMM will get a B&M clone of "Medusa" and a flyer as well? wich will put SFMM on top of CP... well if it happens that is.. im going for SFMM wich used to be my old home park.. www.westcoaster.net/update.php?id=1014021 ~CoasTerBoI~
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